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catcherjul 03-17-2020 08:12 PM

Top draft picks always pitchers
 
Its been like this since the last couple of editions but when the draft happens, it seems like every year, the top 15-20 picks are almost always pitchers.

Like this year, according to the Mock Draft, 17 of the first 18 picks will be pitchers (The only position player is projected to be pick 15th)

And for exemple, there is 13 players with potential 4* or more, 6 being position players (3-1B / 1 LF / 1 RF / 1 CF)

Am I the only one in this situation?

Poonox24 03-17-2020 10:00 PM

There always seems to be a ton of hitters available. I think the draft logic needs to be checked a little.

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Originally Posted by catcherjul (Post 4601405)
Its been like this since the last couple of editions but when the draft happens, it seems like every year, the top 15-20 picks are almost always pitchers.

Like this year, according to the Mock Draft, 17 of the first 18 picks will be pitchers (The only position player is projected to be pick 15th)

And for exemple, there is 13 players with potential 4* or more, 6 being position players (3-1B / 1 LF / 1 RF / 1 CF)

Am I the only one in this situation?


catcherjul 03-18-2020 06:13 AM

Glad I am not the only one! Curious to see if the major part of the community seem to have the same draft tendencies

smiller 03-18-2020 08:00 AM

I'm in the 18th season of my fictional league and for the last 3 drafts, 9 of the 10 listed as top choices have been pitchers.

stealofhome 03-18-2020 08:42 AM

What type of league are you using and how many game years into it are you?

catcherjul 03-18-2020 09:07 AM

Its a fictional league and I'm playing the 83rd season now. I have 2 feeder leagues for the draft

stealofhome 03-18-2020 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by catcherjul (Post 4601868)
Its a fictional league and I'm playing the 83rd season now. I have 2 feeder leagues for the draft


I have found the same thing to be true also, so I severely limited the amount of pitchers in my feeder leagues through roster restrictions. There may be a bunch of pitchers on the backup roster (can't think of the name right now) of each feeder team. It's also possible that some of the draft logic causes teams to prefer pitching for some reason.

Markus Heinsohn 03-18-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by catcherjul (Post 4601868)
Its a fictional league and I'm playing the 83rd season now. I have 2 feeder leagues for the draft

Need to adjust your player creation modifiers then and make pitchers a bit worse, I suggest.

Trot Nixon's Waifu 03-18-2020 10:48 AM

I've now run six sims with the standard start out to five years and the result is always that pitchers dominate the draft. The average of all years between all six sims is for 24 of the first 30 picks to be pitchers.

Poonox24 03-18-2020 10:54 AM

Markus,


Is it possible for you to change/alter the draft logic for teams? I can send you things where the batters potential ratings far out weigh the hitters and they are still drafting pitcher after pitcher.


I have had to start drafting for CPU teams to make it realistic. Otherwise I am getting the cream of the crop position players for the most part (5-7 are only drafter per round) while the CPU team is drafting Relief Pitchers in the early rounds and disregarding 70 potential batters.


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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn (Post 4601889)
Need to adjust your player creation modifiers then and make pitchers a bit worse, I suggest.


Matt Arnold 03-18-2020 11:00 AM

Yeah, if you have a file where teams are obviously drafting pitchers well ahead of better ranked batters, please so. It's possible that some balance was broken in the other draft changes.

catcherjul 03-18-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn (Post 4601889)
Need to adjust your player creation modifiers then and make pitchers a bit worse, I suggest.

Thanks for your answer Markus. I'll give this a try because there's seem to be too much good SP.

The only thing that I think won't change with that is the fact that even if the top available players are position players, the AI seems to take SP anyway and great position players fall at least until mid first round

Also, how do I adjust the player creation modifiers for pitchers? I only have the option to adjust the sabermetrics and there is no way to adjust the pitchers

MizzouRah 03-18-2020 01:07 PM

I'm playing pure fictional MLB from scratch, last draft (2021) there were 20 pitchers and 10 position players taken in the 1st round.

Highest position player was drafted at #2 and 4 out of the top 10 were position players.

The 2022 mock draft shows 16 out of 30 as position players, with the #1 and #2 position players as well.

stealofhome 03-18-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah (Post 4602091)
I'm playing pure fictional MLB from scratch, last draft (2021) there were 20 pitchers and 10 position players taken in the 1st round.

Highest position player was drafted at #2 and 4 out of the top 10 were position players.

The 2022 mock draft shows 16 out of 30 as position players, with the #1 and #2 position players as well.


From what I've seen, this tends to only happen many years into a sim - 20+ years or so.

catcherjul 03-19-2020 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stealofhome (Post 4602104)
From what I've seen, this tends to only happen many years into a sim - 20+ years or so.

I can't remember when it started but its possible. The first 20 years of this league were probably with OOTP 17 or 18:ohmy:

Thundercrack 03-19-2020 07:45 AM

I’ve seen this already in 21, very heavy on the pitchers in draft,
Much more so than 20. Something is out of whack

catcherjul 03-19-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Thundercrack (Post 4602664)
I’ve seen this already in 21, very heavy on the pitchers in draft,
Much more so than 20. Something is out of whack

The talent or just the rank that they are picked?

Mine it seems quite balanced but AI heavily favor picking SP than position players. They will tend to pick a 3.5/4 * potential SP before a 4.5/5* batter

ChrisJNelson 04-16-2020 10:42 PM

I don't think it's something we need to adjust in settings. I've seen drafts in modern sims only a few years in where practically 100% of the top 30-40 players are pitchers. Literally not a hitter worth drafting in first few rounds. By default, it shouldn't be like that.

ALB123 04-16-2020 11:22 PM

Thankfully, the issue doesn't seem to affect historical leagues (non-fictional). I just checked the most recent draft. Out of twenty-six first-round picks only six were pitchers!

wodi 04-17-2020 02:04 PM

Im starting to see it too. The years after the “real” classes are finished.


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