National Hockey League/American Hockey League
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NHL: Mike Farkas, JeffR AHL: binkers87 |
Guys,
Hello, thank you for your future comments and, more importantly, your patience. It's my goal to get the NHL as accurately portrayed as humanly possible. Right now, there is only a very rough outline out of how the NHL will turn out. Changes will be made in waves on an individual level as time goes on. I'll try to keep you guys updated as to my progress as it moves along. Thanks and enjoy! |
And I should point out that most of the problems you'll find with the NHL's current state are my fault, not Mike's: I only turned it over to him a month or so ago, so he's not had time to take a really good run at fixing what I got wrong.
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Is this thread meant for all database issues?
Example: Colin greening is an LW in real life not a C. Or.. Erik karlsson is poorly portrayed in terms of ratings? |
Well, first data error straight off the bat!
Edmonton - Sam Gagner: listed as a RW but should be C |
NHL players, current and potential ability
Game looks great and I'm sure you guys will be overloaded with comments and question. Let me me get the ball rolling:
How have you guys rated the NHL players, or players in general? what scale/baseline have you used? I'm trying the game out in commissioner mode and can edit the players, I can see that players "offensive" and "defensive" attributes where I notice an offensive potential 0-1000 value and correspondingly for the defensive potential attributes. I presume the overall potential ability of a player is a combined calculation of these two values? But how have you decided on these values for the players? I guess, that is my question. |
Edmonton Oilers
Eberle, Hartikanen, Petrell listed as C's should be LW's Ganger, Lander, Nugent-Hopkins, Vande-Velde listed as RW should be C |
Most of the position ratings are based on actual usage last season, so they may not be quite up-to-the-minute. Gagner, for example, spent more time on Eberle or Belanger's wing last year than he did centering lines.
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The whole ratings system is a bit complicated to get into right at the moment (the player section of the simplified ratings guide runs about a dozen pages and isn't complete), but I'll start posting more details as time permits. |
Toronto's Tim Connolly has an in-game contract value of $525k/$310.5k (NHL/AHL) for 2012-13, when his actual contract value is $4M and doesn't change if he's buried in the minors according to CapGeek.
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There are two Mattias Sjogren's on the Hershey Bears. One has an umlaut on the o in his last name and the other doesn't.
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ECHL has Fort Wayne Komets in wrong division.
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Started in 71-72 the North Stars are abbreviated DAL I guess the move was already in the works :)
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Actual games
ok...this may seem like a stupid question. But how on earth do you watch the games with the text flashing for key situations?
Right now, all it does is skip the games and tells me if i won or lost?? Edit: Nevermind, got it. However, the whole screen is not showing. Anybody else have that problem? |
I'm not sure if this is on purpose or not, but under Unsigned Draftees there are repeats of certain prospects for some teams.
I've compiled a list of the names and if you need them please notify me. |
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Toronto Maple Leafs -- unsigned prospects
There are 2 D. Toninatos I guess I should have updated my page before posting :) |
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On my standings page: Points and GF are blank, data moved two places over so Points are showing where goals against should be and so on.
Also my record is 2-1-1 which is correct on the standings page, but at the top of my home screen it says I am 2-1-0 (although it does list me at 5pts) |
Montreal Canadiens:
Travis Moen should be primarily a LW Ryan White should be primarily a C Raphael Diaz should be primarily an RD Captain is Gionta, Assistants are Markov/Gorges |
Noticed at least one error with signed players.
G Chris Carrozzi is signed with the Winnipeg Jets, with 1 year, 708, 333$ left on his ELC. In the game he is not signed by the Jets. He is likely released after the season, so by the time the full release comes out it is not an issue, but just saying :laugh: Also, just now say another issue with Jets. They qualified LD Arturs Kulda last off-season he should be listed on the Jets protected list and is not. |
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Now that I look again the Jets also qualified D Brett Festerling last year, and although he moved to DEL this year he is still RFA for them. He does qualify for UFA status this off-season so he will likely be gone like Carrozzi in the off-season, but that may not be true for all RFA's not listed on hockey's future, so glad I brought it up. I will gladly put together a list for the whole NHL if you wish, just let me know. I'm quite good at player rights issues, it's kinda my forte over at hfboards haha. |
Columbus contract errors:
These guys are listed as RFA after their contract ends, but they should be UFA: Umberger, Prospal, Dorsett, Letestu, Nikitin |
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After Nugent-Hopkins got injured last season, Taylor Hall (LW) and Jordan Eberle (RW) were centered by Sam Gagner (C). Gagner has not regularly played on the wing since the 07-08 season. Eberle has spent his entire career with the Edmonton Oilers on the right wing. For the Edmonton Oilers, here are some position corrections:
When it comes to ratings, please take the following into considering:
Captain is Shawn Horcoff. Assistants are Nick Schultz and Jordan Eberle. Thanks. Been enjoying the game so far. |
There are very few stats that have been adjusted to the individual player yet. All players have been given a target and a template to fit their style. Thats why individual stats might be a little of, but overall I think it have worked great. This will change over the beta period, but #1 focus have been to give players stats at all. :)
Regarding stars, I assume Seguin have been considered to have more defensive potential then the others. Cause they have all same (almost) offensive potential, just that Seguins defensive skills are higher and that's why he is considered a 5 star. Even if it looks wrong (in stars) I think it's pretty real. RNH of ability: 800 Def: 675 Hall of: 815 def: 640 Yakupov of: 815 Def: 610 Seguin of 815 def 735 On Schultz he looks to have great offensive d-men potential, dunno why the game gives him so few stars. |
The templates have certainly worked out well.
You're overrating Seguin in comparison to the other three, though, and you're particularly underrating RNH's defensive work (he is fantastic at picking pockets). Behindthenet supports Edmontons first line defensive work and puck possession as well as their horrible puck luck. If we look at Chicago, for example, Patrick Sharp has five stars. While he's a great player, how many people would realistically say he is better than two first overalls ever will be? Anyway, this doesn't need to be about arguing who is better than whom. I just wanted to highlight some issues with the Oilers roster about three first overalls having less potential than other players in their own draft class. |
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Thanks for the constructive feedback, always appreciated! |
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I did a few quick sims, one as the GM of the Canucks, one unemployed (both crashed at July 1st). A few things about Canuck ratings: Alexander Edler is and has been Vancouver's best defenceman for the past 3 years. He was tasked with carrying zombie Sami Salo around last year, so a lot of his numbers didn't look great but he was still the best D on the team. Both simulations had the Canucks missing the playoffs, so maybe instead of just switching Hamhuis and Edler's overall strengths, Edler's ratings could get a bump. In particular, he's a physical specimen and I'd certainly increase his strength, checking, and hitting. He's rated highly elsewhere, so I'm not sure why that only translates to 3.5 stars. A few inaccuracies: *Alberts & Edler are listed as RD, should be LD *Booth is a natural LW and struggled at RW last year *Henrik Sedin is captain, Kesler and Daniel his associates *Sedins have really high skating attributes when in truth it's their biggest weakness. They're still above average though. Other than that, the ratings as a whole are really strong in general. One thing though, Martin Erat was rated 1 star in current ability and 4 in potential (his offensive attributes are all either 1 or 2, but he does have an offensive potential of 750). This could be one of those deals where he's rated properly in the DB but it's not transitioning into the quickgames properly. Thanks a lot for your hard work! |
Simon Gagne starts off the year in Philadelphia despite his only recently been traded there from Los Angeles.
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I don't know if this is a database issue from OOTP or not, but Graham Mink is from Stowe, VT not Stowe, MA. (On Providence Bruins)
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Keep letting us know when you find them and we'll get those fixed. |
In Historic Mode Toronto Maple Leafs plays in ACC even though i started from year 1992. Leafs moved to ACC in mid-season 1999 (if i remember right).
N.Y. Islanders moves to Brooklyn in 2015 and plays in Barclays Center |
Hi Mike and Jeff,
Thanks for all of the hard work you guys have been putting into this game - it is very much appreciated. A few data things I noticed: General: No USA Nationality choice in Manger Set Up. New York Rangers player positions: LD Dan Girardi should be RD RD Ryan McDonagh should be LD LW Arron Asham should be RW LW Marian Gaborik should be RW RW Taylor Pyatt should be LW RW Benn Ferriero should be C LW Brandon Segal should be RW LW Ryan Bourque should be C Signed players listed as unsigned prospects: RW Jesper Fasth should be signed 3years @ $900,000/year/ELC C Michael St. Croix should be signed 3 years @ $665,000/year/ELC C Oscar Lindberg should be signed 3 years @760,000/year/ELC Long Term IR: RD Michael Sauer has been on long term IR with post concussion syndrome since 2011 and is still listed as month to month. Draft picks: New York's 1st round pick in 2013 belongs to the Columbus Blue Jackets If New York fails to reach the Eastern Conference finals in 2013 they will receive the 3rd round pick belonging to the Columbus Blue Jackets Thanks again for the great job! Mark |
Thank you, NYR1967. Positions are noted. We did not distribute draft picks yet, we'll hit them all at one time.
We'll get those contracts patched up. Thanks for the positive input! |
I missed one more for the Rangers
C Chris Kreider should be LW Thanks again! Mark |
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American Hockey League, Adirondack Phantoms:
Brandon Manning (LD) is listed as being 15'-5" and 79 lbs. :laugh: The Phantoms website has him at 6'-1" and 195 lbs., and wears #28. Also, Harrison Zolnierczyk could probably be "Harry" Zolnierczyk. |
There are two Mark Jankowski's on the Calgary Flames unsigned draft picks list (not sure maybe belongs in college)
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Hi Mike!
On the Canadiens, Max Pacioretty is mainly an LW. Actually, I'm not even sure he ever played another position with Montreal. Right now, he's RW 20, LW 19 and C... whatever. Lars Eller is also not very convincing at Right Wing, but possibly better at LW. Not sure about the right scaling, though, but something like 16-20-15 could be quite accurate. Some ratings appears a bit off (mainly regarding skating), but that's probably a secondary consideration at the moment. |
phoenix cayotes
Oliver ekman-larsron is a left shoter and ld zbynek michalek is a rd |
Rob O'Gara is there twice in the DB. He plays for Yale Bulldogs and is Bruins' unsigned draftee (that's how I found it - he's listed there twice).
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Colorado Avalanche
RW John Mitchell should be C Joe Sacco player? :laugh: http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/1838/sacco.png |
Colorado Avalanche
RW John Mitchell should be C Joe Sacco player? :D http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/1838/sacco.png |
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