Presets file for historical - historical injuries/suspensions needed

[Hockey13Playa]

I haven't figured out how to exactly use it yet, but I found this site online:

https://nhlinjuryviz.blogspot.com/20...-database.html

Not sure if it can help assist with any injuries or not but figured I would post for what its worth anyways.

[Castleview]

I dug out my collection of Sporting News Hockey Guides & Registers from the attic.
Hockey Reference only has NHL game logs, so for the WHA will have to estimate games missed based on season stats. (is there any equivalent site for WHA?)

Total NHL book unfortunately doesn't include any WHA stats.
Total Hockey has WHA stats, but not the suspension/injury info like Total NHL.

Anyway, here's a few more from 73-74 Sporting News Hockey Register:

Barry Ashbee, Boston 66-67, Spinal surgery, missed entire season.
Ralph Backstrom, Montreal 70-71, 'retired' after 69-70 season before returning. Missed first 24 games of 70-71.
Fred Barrett, Minnesota 72-73, Broken hand in camp, missed first 6 games.
Terry Clancy, Toronto 71-72, sat out entire season in retirement, returned in 72-73.
Brian Conacher, Detroit 68-69 , 69-70 & 70-71, was drafted by Detroit from Toronto in June 1968, sat out until 71-72 season.
John Cunniff, New England 72-73, knee surgery, missed start of season, returned & played 32 games that year.
Gary Doak, Boston 66-67, broken leg in camp , missed first 38 games.
Gary Doak, Vancouver 71-72, knee injury in pre-season, missed first 14 games.
Gary Doak, Detroit, 72-73, broken leg in camp, missed first 13 games.

[Castleview]

Some more:

Ted Green, Boston 71-72, pulled stomach muscle in camp, missed first 10 games.
Jean Hamel, St Louis 73-74, mononucleosis , missed first 10 games.
Gerry Hart, Islanders 72-73, fractured knee in pre-season, missed first 18 games.
Dennis Hextall, Minnesota 71-72, knee surgery, missed first 23 games.
Bill Hogaboam, Atlanta 72-73, strained knee ligaments in pre-season, missed first 14 games
Harry Howell, Oakland 69-70, back surgery, missed first 21 games.
Ted Irvine, NY Rangers 72-73, knee injury in camp, missed first 7 games.
Dave Keon, Toronto 71-72, knee injury in pre-season, missed first 5 games.
Mike Laughton, California 70-71, knee surgery, missed first 45 games.

[Castleview]

Some more:

Al Lebrun, NY Rangers 63-64, Back surgery, missed entire season.
Lowell MacDonald, LA Kings 69-70, he 'retired' between Sept 69 and Feb 1970.
Chico Maki, Chicago 67-68, Appendectomy, missed first 14 games.
Bert Marshall, California 70-71, Wrist surgery, missed first 38 games.
John MacKenzie Philadelphia Blazers 72-73, broken arm in pre-season, returned and played in 60 games.
Jim Neilson, NY Rangers 72-73, broke bone in foot in camp, missed first 14 games.
Jim Pappin, Chicago 70-71, Facial injury in pre-season, missed first 14 games.
Garry Peters, NY Raiders 72-73, knee surgery, returned to play 23 games but also missed last 2 months of season.
Bob Plager, St Louis 73-74, suspended by NHL for first 2 games after pre-season incident.
Jean Ratelle, NY Rangers 66-67, back surgery, missed first 21 games.
Phil Roberto, St Louis 73-74, hand injury in offseason, missed first 37 games.
Blaine Rydman, NY Raiders 72-73, broken ankle in camp, returned & played 2 games then traded to Minnesota Fighting Saints in Jan 73 (played 29 games there)
Ed Van Impe, Flyers 72-73, fractured jaw in camp. missed first 6 games.
Bill White, LA Kings 69-70, missed first 15 games as contract holdout.
Tommy Williams, Minnesota 70-71 , back injury in camp, missed first 7 games.
Les Binkley, Pittsburgh 69-70, pulled stomach muscle in camp, missed first 8 games.
Gerry Desjardins, Chicago 71-72, arm surgery, missed first 52 games. (note he was back-up goalie so may have returned sooner).
Wayne Rutledge, LA Kings 69-70, thigh surgery, missed first 23 games.

Wayne Bianchin, Pittsburgh 73-74, hairline fracture of foot, missed first 6 games.
Terry Caffery, New England 73-74, knee surgery, missed entire season.
Gary Dornhoefer, Flyers 73-74, knee injury, missed first 9 games.
Claude Larose, Montreal 73-74, broken leg in 73 playoffs, missed first 26 games.
Bob Leduc, Toronto Toros 73-74, lost a toe in camp accident, returned to play in 61 games.
Billy MacMillan, Islanders 73-74 , spinal fusion surgery, missed first 20 games.
Larry Mickey, Buffalo 73-74, broke leg in camp, missed first 60 games.
Jean Ratelle, NY Rangers 73-74, stomach muscle injury in camp, missed first 6 games.
Ron Stackhouse, Detroit 73-74, unspecified injury in camp, missed first 10 games.
Ted Taylor, Vancouver 70-71, missed first 21 games due to contract dispute.

[Castleview]

From Sporting News Hockey Register 75-76:

Jerry Butler, St Louis 75-76, broken foot in camp, missed first 14 games.
Bruce Greig, California 74-75, contract holdout, missed first 67 games.
Joey Johnston, Chicago 75-76, broken wrist in offseason automobile accident, missed first 12 games.
Mike McMahon, Minnesota WHA 74-75, broken ribs in camp, returned and played in 64 games that season.
Danny O'Shea, St Louis 73-74, missed entire season with heart ailment, was released by Blues in October 73. Signed with Minnesota WHA for 74-75.
Doug Palazzari, St Louis 75-76, shoulder surgery, missed entire season.
Bob Plager, St Louis 75-76, Suspended for first 5 games for shoving an official.
Don Tannahill, Vancouver 73-74, back surgery, missed first 42 games.
Reg Thomas, Baltimore WHA 74-75, broken ankle in pre-season, returned and played in 50 games that season.
Roger Crozier, Buffalo 74-75, stomach injury, missed first 10 games.

[JeffR]

New update has everything here up to Ted Taylor (and some 80's stuff I added myself.)

[Afroduck]

Just began looking into starting a game in 1917 and was trying to familiarize myself with some of the players and unsurprisingly noticed a few guys that served in the military and would be unavailable to play in real life just thought these players should have a pre existing injury to keep them from playing.



Probably Personal Reasons even though it would be neat to see War Service added as a cause


I know it would be near impossible to find out every played who served but a hand full shouldn't be hard I have already seen Bill Cook, Frank Fredrickson and Duke Keats

Sorry just re read the first post and seen this brought up was this something still being worked on

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by Afroduck

Just began looking into starting a game in 1917 and was trying to familiarize myself with some of the players and unsurprisingly noticed a few guys that served in the military and would be unavailable to play in real life just thought these players should have a pre existing injury to keep them from playing.



Probably Personal Reasons even though it would be neat to see War Service added as a cause


I know it would be near impossible to find out every played who served but a hand full shouldn't be hard I have already seen Bill Cook, Frank Fredrickson and Duke Keats

Sorry just re read the first post and seen this brought up was this something still being worked on

I deliberately didn't use this system for the military service guys - in the 40's in particular there would be so many guys gone that it'd cause some serious issues with AI roster management to treat them all as injuries or suspensions. We'll need to add a specific system for managing those guys that effectively makes them temporarily invisible to the AI.

(There's actually a complete list of players in military service in WWI/II at https://www.sihrhockey.org/__a/publi...ry_service.cfm if you want to try it, though.)

[LawrenceD]

Originally Posted by JeffR

As mentioned in the FHM9 announcement, we've enabled the presets.txt file for historical games, which will allow them to start with the injuries and suspensions that existed at the start of the game's first season. The file will be very complete back to 2013, since I just used the presets files from each previous version of FHM, but to start with I've only got a couple of hundred entries for pre-2013 seasons. Basically just the major injuries and longer suspensions, and a few other things. It's a good start but a long way from being complete, so I'd appreciate any help people can contribute in fleshing out the list.

The current version of the file is attached below. The format is listed at the top of the file, 0 in the first column = injury, 1=suspension.

If there are any historical injuries or suspensions that need to be added, let me know here. Keep in mind that these need to be injuries or suspensions that existed at the start of the NHL season and caused the player to miss games - the vast majority of injuries happen after that and won't be listed here. I've also added a couple of new injury types that won't be used by the game to create new injuries, "personal reasons" and "cancer", but can be used here. I've used "personal reasons" to include a lot of guys who shouldn't be able to be signed in particular seasons, but show up now as RFA's or UFA's in the game - Dryden when he took a year off in 1973, pre-comeback retirements of Lafleur, Howe, Lindsay, etc.

You don't need to format your contributions as in the file, just give me the name, season, injury type, and the approximate time they returned or number of games they were suspended for. "Suspensions" can include team suspensions, not just league ones, e.g. when players were under contract but held out and refused to play, as well as players who weren't suspended but were in jail (MacTavish, Probert, Danton, etc.) One exception: military service; it'd break the roster AI if we used suspensions to model that, because so many players would be gone during World War 2. We're working on a better system to handle those guys.

To my mind, it's good research with statistical data