It's about time we reveal the ID of sellers on the AH - Page 2

Ty Cobb · 01-07-2021, 02:07 PM

We clearly see different versions of useful.

dkgo · 01-07-2021, 03:49 PM

Which is perfectly fine, people have different ideas about what they want to see in the game.

I'm trying to understand what you hope to gain from seeing who the seller is. If there is a column with the players manager name or team name, would you boycott certain sellers? Start harassing people who you don't think are being "fair?"

If all you want to know are which users profit a bunch of points from working the market then that isn't difficult, they are the teams in diamond and perfect with one of the F2P tags in their team name.

Ty Cobb · 01-07-2021, 04:56 PM

I don't harass folks over AH practices. That said, if I don't wish to buy from someone, that shouldn't be an issue...just as you should have the same privilege. Remind me, who was it who said, "If you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem?" I want to say some worthless politician (redundancy, I know) but I forget which one.

Have used up my allowed screen time for today...concussion protocol. I got yanked off my icy front steps last night by my 2 blue heelers when a cat sprinted from under the steps. Mrs. Cobb is closely monitoring/regulating me today. Hopefully we can continue this tomorrow...

daves · 01-08-2021, 11:08 PM

So when I buy a card from the AH, can't you look up the team the player was playing for in the card history?

Quinta · 01-10-2021, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by daves

So when I buy a card from the AH, can't you look up the team the player was playing for in the card history?

I think the suggestion was about before you buy and there is nothing about the seller in AH. Also, after you buy I have only seen the league and the team (non-unique) abbreviation for the team the card has played for. If you buy and look right away you might be able to figure it out. The problem with that is the card may never have played for the seller--it could be a fresh pull for that seller or even the seller may just be reselling something they bought on AH.

bailey · 01-10-2021, 05:28 PM

L7 is probably the most misleading piece of information this game offers. Why I should sell at or below this figure to be a fair seller? Why is it that only the SELLER has to be "fair"? A month ago L7 for SE Mariano Rivera was 350K. Today, it is 450K. By "fairness" logic if you posted this card for 400K, I would think you are very unfair because it sold for 350K a month ago.

Ty Cobb · 01-11-2021, 10:46 AM

Fairness is the battle cry of those unable to compete. I never argued for fairness here, only transparency.

I don't buy my groceries from some dark shadowy figure, nor my clothing, nor my vehicle. I can't think of a single legal product you routinely buy that features no knowledge of who is selling to you.

Tinkerman · 01-12-2021, 07:01 AM

This sort of thing bugs me a lot more than over priced cards.

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rburgh · 01-17-2021, 01:25 AM

That if you want to buy a card, you post a bid and if you want to sell a card you post an offer. That way, you can withdraw a bid if, for instance, you pull the card in the pack or you buy someone else you'd rather have. And, of course, if your PP balance dropped too low your bid would be cancelled automatically.

The AH would be much less cluttered, since for every card all the AH would have to show is the high bid, the low offer, the number of bids, and the number of offers. So there would be one entry per card (as opposed to the current state of affairs where there are almost 200 diamond and perfect historical SP up for sale). They could even list the owner with the high bid and the owner with the low offer.

Also, a lot of abuses like that Gagne card (or 45 OVR cards selling for 35000 PP's) would be corrected. The world's stock exchanges (mostly) work this way, and have done so for hundreds of years.

The Game · 01-17-2021, 04:14 AM

While i have never listed a player at such a low starting and such a high buy now i have done a few $2000-$5000 starting with a really high buy now in the $45,000 - $55,000 range. When someone lists a player there is the 7 day avg and the all time. I sold a player a 71? Ruggiero player that went for $45,000 and i think i could have sold him for more. There are 2 more out there, why single out one absurd buy now seller? What are you going to do with his name once you have it?

Ty Cobb · 01-17-2021, 12:05 PM

I'm not singling out one seller, just using that as an example. My general feeling is that if you have to put your handle up beside your product, you'll price more responsibly...or at least I'll (as a bidder) be able to look at a card I'm less familiar with and instantly say, "Oh, I know that guy...he charges 10x what it's worth most days...pass."

I've asked before, and I'll ask till my dying breath here:

1. Why are so many fearful of this?
2. What's the harm?
3. Do you HONESTLY think Buddy Bavasi was buying up young pitching talent on some shadowy street corner near the harbor from dudes he didn't even know the name of? NO. He would call up Jim Campbell...
4. Can you name me any legitimate business where the seller doesn't tell you their name/User ID? I'll wait...

dkgo · 01-17-2021, 03:25 PM

And as has been answered before, it offers no value to anyone but you and the development team has a backlog a mile long. Any time spent towards it is wasted.

You are the one who wants something done. The burden is on you to show it has value. All the cards are the same, no one is peddling counterfeit Tony Gwynns. If the price is too high you dont buy it, simple.

If you buy 5 shares of amazon do you know who sold them? Does it matter?

Ty Cobb · 01-17-2021, 06:43 PM

Actually, you can find out who you bought the stock from.

Your opinion that it is wasted is just that...an opinion. Presenting it as fact gives it no more credibility, rather it diminishes it.

Quinta · 01-20-2021, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

Actually, you can find out who you bought the stock from.

Your opinion that it is wasted is just that...an opinion. Presenting it as fact gives it no more credibility, rather it diminishes it.

This is hilarious coming from someone who stated as fact "Fairness is the battle cry of those unable to compete." Physician, heal thy self!

bailey · 01-20-2021, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

1. Why are so many fearful of this?
2. What's the harm?
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If you think this will lower prices I don't think this would achieve that goal. It could lead to boycott campaigns against certain sellers and cause ill will leading to people giving up the game and writing bad reviews of the game leading to reduced sales of the game. Please refresh me on what harm is being caused by the current system and why you want it changed in a few WORDS. The picture in the first post with no commentary does NOT speak for itself. It has led to a meandering discussion.

Ty Cobb · 01-21-2021, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Quinta

This is hilarious coming from someone who stated as fact "Fairness is the battle cry of those unable to compete." Physician, heal thy self!

That's a nice try at diversion, but your 'argument' rings hollow. I'm not presenting it as fairness...not for a second. Try answering some fo the questions I put forth.

Ty Cobb · 01-21-2021, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

If you think this will lower prices I don't think this would achieve that goal. It could lead to boycott campaigns against certain sellers and cause ill will leading to people giving up the game and writing bad reviews of the game leading to reduced sales of the game. Please refresh me on what harm is being caused by the current system and why you want it changed in a few WORDS. The picture in the first post with no commentary does NOT speak for itself. It has led to a meandering discussion.

Perhaps you misunderstand my point. I took these screenshots today. Neither card is critical for a new mission. In fact, just the opposite is true...they are non-critical cards from the original missions. I'd love to hear any rational explanation you can offer for them being priced like this.

At best it's price gouging. Before you ask at what point it becomes gouging, I'll refer you to former Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's words on obscenity: "I can't tell you what it is, but I sure as **** know it when I see it."

Well...I see it.

bailey · 01-22-2021, 03:35 PM

If it is not about fairness and not about price reductions, then I don't get your point at all. Are you worried about optics, then? These new pictures suggest maybe some kind of shenanigans to transfer PP to particular accounts in violation of the TOS in which case they will be caught eventually. Thanks, for answering (sort of). Nothing to see here, I'm moving on.

daves · 01-23-2021, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinkerman

This sort of thing bugs me a lot more than over priced cards.

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Definitely agree. So if I buy two versions of OOTP on two different computers with two different license numbers, technically I can sell a 200,000 PT card for 20,000 to myself as long as nobody swoops in accidently? Or someone the card to a friend this way?

dkgo · 01-23-2021, 04:31 PM

No. Moving cards between accounts will get you banned without a warning as soon as it is noticed.

However it doesnt seem to erase the transaction from the cards history leaving stats like that behind. Or maybe someone accidentally put 22000 instead of 220000.

01-07-2021, 02:07 PM	#21
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,358 Blog Entries: 114	We clearly see different versions of useful. __________________ "It is not heresy, and I will not recant!"—Michael Rayner “Chicken wings are basically trash. The only reason to eat them is if some *** stole the rest of the chicken."—JJ Sefton “I...am inevitable.” "Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me."—Olenna Tyrell

01-07-2021, 04:56 PM	#23
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,358 Blog Entries: 114	I don't harass folks over AH practices. That said, if I don't wish to buy from someone, that shouldn't be an issue...just as you should have the same privilege. Remind me, who was it who said, "If you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem?" I want to say some worthless politician (redundancy, I know) but I forget which one. Have used up my allowed screen time for today...concussion protocol. I got yanked off my icy front steps last night by my 2 blue heelers when a cat sprinted from under the steps. Mrs. Cobb is closely monitoring/regulating me today. Hopefully we can continue this tomorrow... __________________ "It is not heresy, and I will not recant!"—Michael Rayner “Chicken wings are basically trash. The only reason to eat them is if some *** stole the rest of the chicken."—JJ Sefton “I...am inevitable.” "Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me."—Olenna Tyrell

01-08-2021, 11:08 PM	#24
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,735	So when I buy a card from the AH, can't you look up the team the player was playing for in the card history? __________________

01-10-2021, 05:28 PM	#26
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,308	L7 is probably the most misleading piece of information this game offers. Why I should sell at or below this figure to be a fair seller? Why is it that only the SELLER has to be "fair"? A month ago L7 for SE Mariano Rivera was 350K. Today, it is 450K. By "fairness" logic if you posted this card for 400K, I would think you are very unfair because it sold for 350K a month ago. __________________

01-11-2021, 10:46 AM	#27
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,358 Blog Entries: 114	Fairness is the battle cry of those unable to compete. I never argued for fairness here, only transparency. I don't buy my groceries from some dark shadowy figure, nor my clothing, nor my vehicle. I can't think of a single legal product you routinely buy that features no knowledge of who is selling to you. __________________ "It is not heresy, and I will not recant!"—Michael Rayner “Chicken wings are basically trash. The only reason to eat them is if some *** stole the rest of the chicken."—JJ Sefton “I...am inevitable.” "Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me."—Olenna Tyrell

01-07-2021, 03:49 PM	#22
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Which is perfectly fine, people have different ideas about what they want to see in the game. I'm trying to understand what you hope to gain from seeing who the seller is. If there is a column with the players manager name or team name, would you boycott certain sellers? Start harassing people who you don't think are being "fair?" If all you want to know are which users profit a bunch of points from working the market then that isn't difficult, they are the teams in diamond and perfect with one of the F2P tags in their team name.

01-12-2021, 07:01 AM	#28
Tinkerman All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,904	This sort of thing bugs me a lot more than over priced cards.

01-17-2021, 01:25 AM	#29
rburgh All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 809	I have argued for a long time That if you want to buy a card, you post a bid and if you want to sell a card you post an offer. That way, you can withdraw a bid if, for instance, you pull the card in the pack or you buy someone else you'd rather have. And, of course, if your PP balance dropped too low your bid would be cancelled automatically. The AH would be much less cluttered, since for every card all the AH would have to show is the high bid, the low offer, the number of bids, and the number of offers. So there would be one entry per card (as opposed to the current state of affairs where there are almost 200 diamond and perfect historical SP up for sale). They could even list the owner with the high bid and the owner with the low offer. Also, a lot of abuses like that Gagne card (or 45 OVR cards selling for 35000 PP's) would be corrected. The world's stock exchanges (mostly) work this way, and have done so for hundreds of years.

01-17-2021, 04:14 AM	#30
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,877	While i have never listed a player at such a low starting and such a high buy now i have done a few $2000-$5000 starting with a really high buy now in the $45,000 - $55,000 range. When someone lists a player there is the 7 day avg and the all time. I sold a player a 71? Ruggiero player that went for $45,000 and i think i could have sold him for more. There are 2 more out there, why single out one absurd buy now seller? What are you going to do with his name once you have it? __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

01-17-2021, 12:05 PM	#31
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,358 Blog Entries: 114	I'm not singling out one seller, just using that as an example. My general feeling is that if you have to put your handle up beside your product, you'll price more responsibly...or at least I'll (as a bidder) be able to look at a card I'm less familiar with and instantly say, "Oh, I know that guy...he charges 10x what it's worth most days...pass." I've asked before, and I'll ask till my dying breath here: 1. Why are so many fearful of this? 2. What's the harm? 3. Do you HONESTLY think Buddy Bavasi was buying up young pitching talent on some shadowy street corner near the harbor from dudes he didn't even know the name of? NO. He would call up Jim Campbell... 4. Can you name me any legitimate business where the seller doesn't tell you their name/User ID? I'll wait... __________________ "It is not heresy, and I will not recant!"—Michael Rayner “Chicken wings are basically trash. The only reason to eat them is if some *** stole the rest of the chicken."—JJ Sefton “I...am inevitable.” "Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me."—Olenna Tyrell

01-17-2021, 03:25 PM	#32
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	And as has been answered before, it offers no value to anyone but you and the development team has a backlog a mile long. Any time spent towards it is wasted. You are the one who wants something done. The burden is on you to show it has value. All the cards are the same, no one is peddling counterfeit Tony Gwynns. If the price is too high you dont buy it, simple. If you buy 5 shares of amazon do you know who sold them? Does it matter?

01-17-2021, 06:43 PM	#33
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,358 Blog Entries: 114	Actually, you can find out who you bought the stock from. Your opinion that it is wasted is just that...an opinion. Presenting it as fact gives it no more credibility, rather it diminishes it. __________________ "It is not heresy, and I will not recant!"—Michael Rayner “Chicken wings are basically trash. The only reason to eat them is if some *** stole the rest of the chicken."—JJ Sefton “I...am inevitable.” "Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me."—Olenna Tyrell

01-22-2021, 03:35 PM	#38
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,308	If it is not about fairness and not about price reductions, then I don't get your point at all. Are you worried about optics, then? These new pictures suggest maybe some kind of shenanigans to transfer PP to particular accounts in violation of the TOS in which case they will be caught eventually. Thanks, for answering (sort of). Nothing to see here, I'm moving on. __________________

01-23-2021, 04:31 PM	#40
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	No. Moving cards between accounts will get you banned without a warning as soon as it is noticed. However it doesnt seem to erase the transaction from the cards history leaving stats like that behind. Or maybe someone accidentally put 22000 instead of 220000.