Players on rehab assignment stay in AAA

WarningTrakPower · 01-20-2025, 01:51 PM

I had two pitchers on rehab assignments, and it appears that when the AAA season ended they were just left on that roster and not "forced" back to MLB roster.

It shows as "returned", but they are on the AAA roster.

I was able to sim ahead to Sept.16th and they're still on AAA roster and not required to be recalled.

Bassitt was sent on rehab assignment on September 4th, perhaps at a later date it will "force" the recall, but it doesn't appear so right now.

LansdowneSt · 01-20-2025, 03:56 PM

IIRC, you can be on a rehab assignment for 30 days as a pitcher. Is it an MLB rule that they cannot remain on the MiLB roster within that 30-day window even if the MiLB regular season has ended?

Sweed · 01-20-2025, 05:16 PM

I know it's not the exactly the same situation but.. The AI routinely sends players coming off IR to the minors to rehab, even though the minor league season has ended. I check my leagues complete transaction log on a daily basis and have seen it many times in September for AI teams.

I have wondered, but never asked in the forums, if these players are still getting some rehab done in a "training facility", and removing rust? Or is it a bug since the players aren't playing, meaning rust isn't being affected?

From my experience my best guess is they come back to MLB, in your game, when there rehab time is up. With or without rust? I don't know. Of course you should be free to bring them back at any time. The downside, if this is a bug, is the AI won't bring them back because the minor league season is finished. At least in my experience.

Hopefully this post gets the issue in front of Matt and we get an answer on how this works.

WarningTrakPower · 01-20-2025, 06:58 PM

I should clarify, these players are not listed on the injured list anymore.
They only show on AAA roster as if they were optioned.

I didn’t wait for the 30 days to run out as I needed to recall Bassitt after only two weeks on rehab assignment.

Sweed · 01-21-2025, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by WarningTrakPower

I should clarify, these players are not listed on the injured list anymore.
They only show on AAA roster as if they were optioned.

I didn’t wait for the 30 days to run out as I needed to recall Bassitt after only two weeks on rehab assignment.

I can't recall a time I had a player on rehab (meaning on the IL with the rehab designation) as the minor league season went from playing to off season. It's something I will take note of if it happens in my game.

I will add that I have never looked at AI team's injured lists during, the off season, when they sent players on rehab. I do know in the daily transaction log they are listed as being sent on rehab even though the AAA season is over. Are they listed on the MLB IL if the minors season has ended? IDK. I'm still a ways from getting to the end of my AAA season, but when that occurs I'll try to remember to take a look.

I don't know if any of what I have posted is relevant to the conversation? I'm just posting things I have seen in my league that may or may not help if Matt
looks into it.

WarningTrakPower · 01-21-2025, 12:09 PM

I am going to sim up to the middle of August, put a MLB player on IL then send on rehab assignment before AAA season ends
I want to see if I can recreate what happened

I know when a player is on rehab assignment, they still show on the injured list.

I will make another post when completed.

WarningTrakPower · 01-21-2025, 12:40 PM

Ok, so I took over for STL (their AAA team was out of playoff race) and gave David Peterson an injured in commish mode. After he was recovered, I sent him on rehab assignment.

*Coincidentally - Kyle Gibson recovered from an injury on the 2nd last day of AAA regular season.

I had to sim to October 1st to get the "returns from his rehab assignment" in the transactions log, but both players are still in AAA (Gibson is off 40man because he was on 60 day IL).

WarningTrakPower · 01-28-2025, 07:30 PM

Is anyone reviewing these new threads?

I have no idea if something like this could work its way into the next release, but I find it odd there has not been a response yet.

Matt Arnold · 01-29-2025, 05:35 AM

As long as the major league season is on, even if the minor league season has ended, players on a rehab assignment can slightly work off the rust. Obviously you don't get any game data from them to know. Otherwise it would be really annoying to force a guy back to the majors roster with no possibility to work things off. IRL if they didn't have any minors games to play, a team would likely send them to throw some simulated games in their spring complex if they still had a chance to bring them back before the end of the season.

WarningTrakPower · 01-29-2025, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

As long as the major league season is on, even if the minor league season has ended, players on a rehab assignment can slightly work off the rust. Obviously you don't get any game data from them to know. Otherwise it would be really annoying to force a guy back to the majors roster with no possibility to work things off. IRL if they didn't have any minors games to play, a team would likely send them to throw some simulated games in their spring complex if they still had a chance to bring them back before the end of the season.

Hey Matt
Why are the players remaining in AAA when it is saying "returns from rehab assignment"?
They are no longer listed on the IL page and simply just on AAA as if they were optioned (even if the season is over).
For someone like Kyle Gibson coming off the 60 day, he was not "required" to be added back to 40man roster, which is unrealistic.

Sweed · 01-29-2025, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

As long as the major league season is on, even if the minor league season has ended, players on a rehab assignment can slightly work off the rust. Obviously you don't get any game data from them to know. Otherwise it would be really annoying to force a guy back to the majors roster with no possibility to work things off. IRL if they didn't have any minors games to play, a team would likely send them to throw some simulated games in their spring complex if they still had a chance to bring them back before the end of the season.

Thanks for the clarification Matt. I had assumed this is the way it works, but it's nice to officially know for sure.

Rain King · 01-29-2025, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarningTrakPower

For someone like Kyle Gibson coming off the 60 day, he was not "required" to be added back to 40man roster, which is unrealistic.

I don't think that requirement would happen until you move to the off-season. Have you tested to that point and still aren't required to put them back onto the 40-man?

WarningTrakPower · 01-29-2025, 01:09 PM

In the initial discovery, the rehab assignment time frame ended and there was no notification of requiring to be added back to active roster.
I think this part of the post is being overlooked, the AAA season may be over, but the MLB regular season was still on going.

I understand your point about knocking off rust, but the players aren't even listed on the injury list anymore and the MLB season is still going on.

Rain King · 01-29-2025, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarningTrakPower

In the initial discovery, the rehab assignment time frame ended and there was no notification of requiring to be added back to active roster.
I think this part of the post is being overlooked, the AAA season may be over, but the MLB regular season was still on going.

I understand your point about knocking off rust, but the players aren't even listed on the injury list anymore and the MLB season is still going on.

In OOTP, players are off of the injury list when they go on a rehab assignment.

I get that there is some weirdness happening here, but I've not yet seen anything that represents what I would consider a functional bug.

Have the players gone past the 30 days they can be sent out for rehab while the regular season is still taking place? They shouldn't be required to be placed onto the Active roster until that amount of regular season time has passed.

For the player on the 60-man, if the 30-days does not run out before the end of the regular season...they shouldn't need to be added to the 40-man until the off-season (when the Active roster goes back to 40).

It would be better if there was a more clear "Location" for them between the end of the minor league season and the end of the major league season...but that is pretty trivial if no actual roster rules are working incorrectly.

If the 30 day time frame ended during the regular season and they weren't required to be Activated...can you provide screenshots that make that clear?

WarningTrakPower · 01-29-2025, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain King

Have the players gone past the 30 days they can be sent out for rehab while the regular season is still taking place?

Yes, see the first post in this thread. In the transactions log, it shows Chris Bassitt "returns" from his rehab assignment, but he was just "stuck" in AAA.

A player on a rehab assignment still shows on the injured list tab / section, but when I went to check on him he wasn't on that list anymore, just simply in AAA as if he had been optioned almost.

Rain King · 01-29-2025, 02:59 PM

You stated in your original post that this was triggered by the AAA season ending, not by their 30 day rehab assignment expiring.

The AAA season ending would not force them to be re-called from their rehab assignment.

As I mentioned, it would be better if the text stated something like the player returned to the major league team to continue their rehab assignment and there was some other designation aside from AAA, but it is not showing anything fundamentally wrong, as far as I can tell, with the major league roster rules.

So, in that sense sure there is some minor bug or improvement that could be made here. But I've not seen any major/fundamental bug being shown as of yet.

I believe you mention you were able to Activate Bassitt when you needed to, so that wasn't a problem...and as I said...I don't see any evidence at this point of a player going beyond their 30-days during the regular season without being required to be Activated.

Le Grande Orange · 01-30-2025, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain King

In OOTP, players are off of the injury list when they go on a rehab assignment.

And that is exactly opposite to how it works in real life. Players are ON the IL while they're on a rehab assignment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain King

For the player on the 60-man, if the 30-days does not run out before the end of the regular season...they shouldn't need to be added to the 40-man until the off-season (when the Active roster goes back to 40).

Some real-life rules:

(vii) players placed on or transferred to the 60-day
Injured List prior to the start of the championship season may
not be reinstated until 60 days of the championship season
have elapsed;

(viii) except for players on the 60-day Injured List, all
players on the Injured List must be removed from the Injured
List on or before the day following the conclusion of the
championship season;

(ix) Clubs must remove all players from the 60-day
Injured List no later than the fifth day following the day that
the last game of the World Series starts; and

(x) Clubs may not place players on or transfer players to
the 60-day Injured List after August 31 unless the Club
maintains a complete 40-man Roster.

01-20-2025, 01:51 PM	#1
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	Players on rehab assignment stay in AAA I had two pitchers on rehab assignments, and it appears that when the AAA season ended they were just left on that roster and not "forced" back to MLB roster. It shows as "returned", but they are on the AAA roster. I was able to sim ahead to Sept.16th and they're still on AAA roster and not required to be recalled. Bassitt was sent on rehab assignment on September 4th, perhaps at a later date it will "force" the recall, but it doesn't appear so right now.

01-20-2025, 03:56 PM	#2
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 6,881	IIRC, you can be on a rehab assignment for 30 days as a pitcher. Is it an MLB rule that they cannot remain on the MiLB roster within that 30-day window even if the MiLB regular season has ended? __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

01-21-2025, 12:09 PM	#6
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	I am running a test right now I am going to sim up to the middle of August, put a MLB player on IL then send on rehab assignment before AAA season ends I want to see if I can recreate what happened I know when a player is on rehab assignment, they still show on the injured list. I will make another post when completed.

01-28-2025, 07:30 PM	#8
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	Prior to OOTP26 Is anyone reviewing these new threads? I have no idea if something like this could work its way into the next release, but I find it odd there has not been a response yet.

01-20-2025, 06:58 PM	#4
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	I should clarify, these players are not listed on the injured list anymore. They only show on AAA roster as if they were optioned. I didn’t wait for the 30 days to run out as I needed to recall Bassitt after only two weeks on rehab assignment.

01-21-2025, 12:40 PM	#7
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	Ok, so I took over for STL (their AAA team was out of playoff race) and gave David Peterson an injured in commish mode. After he was recovered, I sent him on rehab assignment. Coincidentally - Kyle Gibson* recovered from an injury on the 2nd last day of AAA regular season. I had to sim to October 1st to get the "returns from his rehab assignment" in the transactions log, but both players are still in AAA (Gibson is off 40man because he was on 60 day IL).

01-29-2025, 05:35 AM	#9
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,516	As long as the major league season is on, even if the minor league season has ended, players on a rehab assignment can slightly work off the rust. Obviously you don't get any game data from them to know. Otherwise it would be really annoying to force a guy back to the majors roster with no possibility to work things off. IRL if they didn't have any minors games to play, a team would likely send them to throw some simulated games in their spring complex if they still had a chance to bring them back before the end of the season.

01-29-2025, 01:09 PM	#13
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	In the initial discovery, the rehab assignment time frame ended and there was no notification of requiring to be added back to active roster. I think this part of the post is being overlooked, the AAA season may be over, but the MLB regular season was still on going. I understand your point about knocking off rust, but the players aren't even listed on the injury list anymore and the MLB season is still going on.

01-29-2025, 02:59 PM	#16
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,936	You stated in your original post that this was triggered by the AAA season ending, not by their 30 day rehab assignment expiring. The AAA season ending would not force them to be re-called from their rehab assignment. As I mentioned, it would be better if the text stated something like the player returned to the major league team to continue their rehab assignment and there was some other designation aside from AAA, but it is not showing anything fundamentally wrong, as far as I can tell, with the major league roster rules. So, in that sense sure there is some minor bug or improvement that could be made here. But I've not seen any major/fundamental bug being shown as of yet. I believe you mention you were able to Activate Bassitt when you needed to, so that wasn't a problem...and as I said...I don't see any evidence at this point of a player going beyond their 30-days during the regular season without being required to be Activated.