Paging GMO - 20 teams, 20 games, doubleheaders...

Jaxxvain · 10-22-2008, 04:26 PM

2 sub leagues
1 division each
10 teams per division

play each team in division 2x (1H, 1A)
play same team in other league each year 2x (1H, 1A)
totals 20 games.

All games to be held once a week on Sundays.
Each Sunday will be a double header vs. one opponent. (Since traveling is not an issue you can play a home and away double header so no team has home field advantage in the two game series.)

Would it be possible to rotate the home and away as the 1st or 2nd game throughout the season as well as rotating each year?
in other words; Team A plays Team B at home in the first game, and away in the second game, and the following season it is reversed. AND also, Team A should have 5 home games as the 1st game of the double header, 5 home games as the 2nd game.

The reason for this schedule is that I wanted to have teams with two-man rotations, or even maybe pushing an Ace to pitch innings in both games. The rosters will be limited to maybe 20 or so to stress small pitching staffs and limited roster flexibility.

This all might be fun with a 30 game schedule also, with a game each on Fri/Sat/Sun. Using 3 man pitching rotations.

gmo · 10-22-2008, 08:20 PM

First thing, when on the calendar do want the schedule to begin? First Sunday of April?

Structurally then there are some options. There can be a schedule with each team playing 10 Sunday doubleheaders as you describe - 5 starting at home & 5 starting away with one series against a team from the other subleague. The home/away starting would not necessarily alternate week-to-week, but there would be the 5 & 5 throughout the season.

For subsequent seasons one option would be the same schedule exactly, except the first/second games of each doubleheader would be flipped. E.g., the first games of the season team A1 played A2 home/away last year, and this year A1 plays A2 away/home. That would be the 2-file option.

Another choice would be just using the one file and allowing that to randomize with each season. Every team would still play the doubleheaders with 5 starting at home and 5 starting away, but the matchups would be mixed up year-to-year. Teams would not always play the same one team from the other subleague.

Jaxxvain · 10-22-2008, 09:19 PM

Thanks for the response.

BTW, very nice work around here.

Starting on the first Sunday of April is fine.

Just so we are on the same page.
The double headers would be vs. the same team.

Week 1
Phillies at Mets for game 1
Mets at Phillies for game 2

Yankees at Red Sox for game 1
Red Sox at Yankees for game 2

Week 2
Marlins at Phillies for game 1
Phillies at Marlins for game 2

etc.

I think the random file would be better, going through the same pattern season after season would be too predictable and monotonous.

It would take away the "rivalry game" against the same team in the other league, but so be it.

I do have a few questions about the schedule files though...

1) Does turning on or off spring training effect anything?
2) Can the All-Star game be set for after the playoffs?
3) Can the minor league teams use the same schedule?

gmo · 10-22-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxxvain

Just so we are on the same page.
The double headers would be vs. the same team.

Week 1
Phillies at Mets for game 1
Mets at Phillies for game 2

Yankees at Red Sox for game 1
Red Sox at Yankees for game 2

Week 2
Marlins at Phillies for game 1
Phillies at Marlins for game 2

etc.

I think the random file would be better, going through the same pattern season after season would be too predictable and monotonous.

It would take away the "rivalry game" against the same team in the other league, but so be it.

Exactly.

Then the next year week 1 may feature e.g. ATL@PHI/PHI@ATL & BOS@NYY/NYY@BOS.

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1) Does turning on or off spring training effect anything?

The game will make its own spring training schedule if you have that turned on. The schedules I would make would not affect that.

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2) Can the All-Star game be set for after the playoffs?

AFAIK, no. For as long as I know it has been that the ASG is within the regular season and that playoffs would not start until after a scheduled ASG. I have not checked that lately but have heard nothing about any change to that.

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3) Can the minor league teams use the same schedule?

Yes, as long as the league are of the same structure and schedule settings so that the file can be loaded into the minor leagues.

Jaxxvain · 10-22-2008, 10:33 PM

Sounds great, thanks again in advance for your work.

The All-Star game can be just some time near the middle of the season.

If it's possible to have a Sunday off for the ASG that would be perfect.

gmo · 10-22-2008, 11:40 PM

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# 20 team schedule, 20 games
# Designed for the following configuration:
# 2 subleagues each with 1 division with 10 teams
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# 2 games against 9 other teams in division (1H/1A)
# 2 games against 1 team in other subleague (1H/1A)
#
#
# Schedule is all split doubleheaders on only Sundays
# One team hosts first game and other teams hosts second game
#
#
# All doubleheader game times set at 2:05/7:05pm
#
# Season begins first Sunday on or after April 1st
# Season thus ends mid-June
#
# All-Star Game set for 7th weekend of season
#

gmo · 10-23-2008, 12:04 AM

#
# 20 team schedule, 30 games
# Designed for the following configuration:
# 2 subleagues each with 1 division with 10 teams
#
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# 3 games against 9 other teams in division (1-2H/1-2A)
# 3 games against 1 team in other subleague (1-2H/1-2A)
#
#
# Schedule is all 3-game series spanning Friday-Sunday
# One team hosts Fri game and other teams hosts Sat & Sun games
#
#
# All game times set at 7:05pm
#
# Season begins first Sunday on or after April 1st
# Season thus ends mid-June
#
# All-Star Game set for 7th weekend of season
#

Jaxxvain · 10-23-2008, 12:18 AM

Thanks!!!!

Phillies win game 1!!!!!!!!!!!!

And gmo makes not one but two schedules for me!!

No sleep tonight!!!

Jaxxvain · 10-31-2008, 11:01 AM

gmo-

Thanks again for your great work making these schedules.

After playing with them for a few seasons I realized that I might need some tweaks, and I have a few questions for you, and after finding solutions perhaps you can update this schedule with some fixes/improvements in case anyone else wants to use them.

1) Is the tiebreaker game for the playoffs hard coded to be the day after the season?

It is quite common to have ties in with only a 20 game season, and my set up has only one team making the playoffs. Using 2-man rotations and having the tiebreaker the day after the season's final doubleheader, well, it means the most important game of the year will be decided with a severely depleted pitching staff.

2) Playoffs Hard coded as well?

I looked at the custom playoff section, but there seems to be no control over what day or days off there will be. I wanted 3 game series, but spaced out over 7 days so you could still stick to two man rotation

3) All star game

When I play this schedule (the 20 game one) with an ASG it will move all games after the break to Wednesdays. To improve these great schedules you move the all-star break towards the end of the season, say after the 18th game, play it on a Sunday and then resume the regular season the following Sunday?

4) Minor league development

I set my minors to play the same 20 game schedule, and it seemed as if no players developed at all. (I only went 4 or 5 years, but none of my top prospects budged in development. I assume I need to either adjust the development modifiers way up, to account for less game experience, or let the minors play a normal schedule. Do you have any recommendations here? And is the same lack of games played affecting the growth (and decline), or lack thereof, of my major league players?

5) I am at work not and can't remember what other important dates can, and seemingly cannot be edited. I know you can select the call-up date, which I liked to do for the last two weeks (4 games) of the season. Both rule 5 drafts and amateur drafts I schedule for December. I assume Free Agency is hard coded for after the playoffs end. I wish there was a way to control that so no moves could be made until after the 1st of the year. What happens if you try to schedule a season that runs into December?

Would love to hear your input on these issues and find out if we can improve these schedules.

10-22-2008, 04:26 PM	#1
Jaxxvain All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 531	Paging GMO - 20 teams, 20 games, doubleheaders... 2 sub leagues 1 division each 10 teams per division play each team in division 2x (1H, 1A) play same team in other league each year 2x (1H, 1A) totals 20 games. All games to be held once a week on Sundays. Each Sunday will be a double header vs. one opponent. (Since traveling is not an issue you can play a home and away double header so no team has home field advantage in the two game series.) Would it be possible to rotate the home and away as the 1st or 2nd game throughout the season as well as rotating each year? in other words; Team A plays Team B at home in the first game, and away in the second game, and the following season it is reversed. AND also, Team A should have 5 home games as the 1st game of the double header, 5 home games as the 2nd game. The reason for this schedule is that I wanted to have teams with two-man rotations, or even maybe pushing an Ace to pitch innings in both games. The rosters will be limited to maybe 20 or so to stress small pitching staffs and limited roster flexibility. This all might be fun with a 30 game schedule also, with a game each on Fri/Sat/Sun. Using 3 man pitching rotations.

10-22-2008, 08:20 PM	#2
gmo Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 3,379	First thing, when on the calendar do want the schedule to begin? First Sunday of April? Structurally then there are some options. There can be a schedule with each team playing 10 Sunday doubleheaders as you describe - 5 starting at home & 5 starting away with one series against a team from the other subleague. The home/away starting would not necessarily alternate week-to-week, but there would be the 5 & 5 throughout the season. For subsequent seasons one option would be the same schedule exactly, except the first/second games of each doubleheader would be flipped. E.g., the first games of the season team A1 played A2 home/away last year, and this year A1 plays A2 away/home. That would be the 2-file option. Another choice would be just using the one file and allowing that to randomize with each season. Every team would still play the doubleheaders with 5 starting at home and 5 starting away, but the matchups would be mixed up year-to-year. Teams would not always play the same one team from the other subleague.

10-22-2008, 09:19 PM	#3
Jaxxvain All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 531	Thanks for the response. BTW, very nice work around here. Starting on the first Sunday of April is fine. Just so we are on the same page. The double headers would be vs. the same team. Week 1 Phillies at Mets for game 1 Mets at Phillies for game 2 Yankees at Red Sox for game 1 Red Sox at Yankees for game 2 Week 2 Marlins at Phillies for game 1 Phillies at Marlins for game 2 etc. I think the random file would be better, going through the same pattern season after season would be too predictable and monotonous. It would take away the "rivalry game" against the same team in the other league, but so be it. I do have a few questions about the schedule files though... 1) Does turning on or off spring training effect anything? 2) Can the All-Star game be set for after the playoffs? 3) Can the minor league teams use the same schedule?

10-22-2008, 10:33 PM	#5
Jaxxvain All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 531	Sounds great, thanks again in advance for your work. The All-Star game can be just some time near the middle of the season. If it's possible to have a Sunday off for the ASG that would be perfect.

10-23-2008, 12:18 AM	#8
Jaxxvain All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 531	Thanks!!!! Phillies win game 1!!!!!!!!!!!! And gmo makes not one but two schedules for me!! No sleep tonight!!!

10-31-2008, 11:01 AM	#9
Jaxxvain All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 531	gmo- Thanks again for your great work making these schedules. After playing with them for a few seasons I realized that I might need some tweaks, and I have a few questions for you, and after finding solutions perhaps you can update this schedule with some fixes/improvements in case anyone else wants to use them. 1) Is the tiebreaker game for the playoffs hard coded to be the day after the season? It is quite common to have ties in with only a 20 game season, and my set up has only one team making the playoffs. Using 2-man rotations and having the tiebreaker the day after the season's final doubleheader, well, it means the most important game of the year will be decided with a severely depleted pitching staff. 2) Playoffs Hard coded as well? I looked at the custom playoff section, but there seems to be no control over what day or days off there will be. I wanted 3 game series, but spaced out over 7 days so you could still stick to two man rotation 3) All star game When I play this schedule (the 20 game one) with an ASG it will move all games after the break to Wednesdays. To improve these great schedules you move the all-star break towards the end of the season, say after the 18th game, play it on a Sunday and then resume the regular season the following Sunday? 4) Minor league development I set my minors to play the same 20 game schedule, and it seemed as if no players developed at all. (I only went 4 or 5 years, but none of my top prospects budged in development. I assume I need to either adjust the development modifiers way up, to account for less game experience, or let the minors play a normal schedule. Do you have any recommendations here? And is the same lack of games played affecting the growth (and decline), or lack thereof, of my major league players? 5) I am at work not and can't remember what other important dates can, and seemingly cannot be edited. I know you can select the call-up date, which I liked to do for the last two weeks (4 games) of the season. Both rule 5 drafts and amateur drafts I schedule for December. I assume Free Agency is hard coded for after the playoffs end. I wish there was a way to control that so no moves could be made until after the 1st of the year. What happens if you try to schedule a season that runs into December? Would love to hear your input on these issues and find out if we can improve these schedules.